First, read Mounce’s comments here: http://www.koinoniablog.net/2013/04/an-untranslatable-word-%CE%B3%CF%8D%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9-monday-with-mounce-183.html
Mounce seems to think that gunai (“woman,” in the
vocative case) is essentially untranslatable because in his view, “it
misconveys so badly.” Now let’s stop and think about this. Someone is reading
the Bible, preferably in one of the translations that Mounce dismisses for
translating gunai as simply “Woman.” In his view, the problem with that
is that it leaves the reader “to figure out what it really means.” No doubt the
direct address, “Woman” might be viewed as rude in today’s context. But first,
the reader should stop to think. Is Jesus being rude to a woman he has just
healed? Not likely. So the alert reader should recognize that Jesus is not
being rude, and in the first century this direct address was not considered
rude.
But suppose the reader thinks that Jesus might be being rude
to this woman, as he seems to have been with the Syrophoenician woman (Mark
7:24-30). Then he might look at a concordance to see how many times Jesus uses
this address in the gospels. After all, the reader is concerned about Jesus’
possible rudeness here. So the reader discovers, with a little research, that
Jesus uses this direct address seven times in the gospels: once in Matthew
15:28; once in Luke 13:12 (the passage Mounce is dealing with); and five times
in John (2:4, 4:21, 8:10, 19:26; 20:15). In two of those cases, Jesus is
addressing his mother, which again indicates that it is unlikely that he is
being rude. In one case (John 20:15) Jesus is clearly addressing Mary Magdalene
tenderly after the resurrection.
So with a little research and a little reflection, the
thoughtful reader concludes that however rude “Woman” might appear to us at
first glance, it is not, in fact, a rude form of address. Rather it appears to
be a formal (rather than casual) form of address.
How is the translator to address this in a translation? This
is another point at which Mounce and I differ. He seems to think that a
translation ought to be explanatory, as he applauds the NLT for translating “dear
woman.” He then discusses a number of other possible translations, none of
which seem to him to work. My sense is that there are other ways of addressing
this difficulty than with an explanatory translation. First (and perhaps
easiest), the Bible editors could put in a marginal note explaining that “Woman”
was not rude in Jesus’ day. At the next level would be the study Bible, which
could also add an explanatory note. Then there are commentaries, most of which,
especially those geared to the lay reader, will address the point. Finally,
there is the responsibility of the preacher, who in preaching from one of these
passages ought to clarify the point for his listeners.
To insist that the translation is responsible to clarify
this point (and many others) seems to me to fail to recognize two things.
First, at what point does the explanatory translation stop explaining? There
are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of verses that might be unclear or
misunderstood by someone. How many of these should the translator explain? Is
the translator supposed to try to prevent readers from taking the Jehovah’s
Witnesses’ view on John 1:1? There are two explanatory translations that I know
of: The Amplified Bible, and Wuest’s Expanded Translation of the New Testament.
They are both awful. They are unreadable in any normal sense of that word. The
result would be the same if Mounce followed his reasoning to its conclusion: a
translation/commentary that doesn’t work as either one.
The second point that Mounce misses here is what the Westminster
Confession of Faith calls the “due use of ordinary means” (WCF 1:7). What
that means is that there are means by which people can learn the meaning of the
Bible any time it appears to them to be unclear, confusing, or just plain rude.
Marginal notes, concordances, commentaries, and preachers faithfully expounding
the Word all fall under that “due use.”
So translate it “Woman.” Let the reader puzzle it out for
himself, or consult a commentary, or ask his pastor. But don’t turn a Bible
translation into a travesty.
So translate it “Woman.” Let the reader puzzle it out for himself, or consult a commentary, or ask his pastor. But don’t turn a Bible translation into a travesty.
ReplyDeleteExclude the middle much?
Granted, it excludes the middle, but it summarizes what Mounce had already done. he had suggested a number of other possibilities, all of which he found lacking. Thus, for him, the word is untranslatable. My post suggests that there are options for people who find the translation offensive. I prefer for a translation to be a window to the original, so if the original uses the vocative, the translations should as well, all within the bounds of what can be accomplished in English grammar. Does that help?
ReplyDeleteRegarding your way to address the difficulty, they seem unsatisfactory. Marginal footnotes have two problems: 1) footnotes are very rarely read, and 2) if you footnoted every possible misunderstanding, your margin would be several times as long as the Biblical text. As you wrote yourself, "there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of verses that might be unclear or misunderstood by someone."
ReplyDeleteYou also ask, "At what point does the explanatory translation stop explaining?" The converse response is, "At what point do you allow a literal translation to become so obscure and even misleading that you need to explain?"
For example, do you keep the KJV's "For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ"? Do you translate a waw consecutive as "and" every time (as Robert Alter does), and let the reader use the "due ordinary means" to understand the nuances of Hebrew discourse?
Every Bible translation does explanatory translation, from the KJV to the ESV, and necessarily so. For evidence of this, see Dave Brunn's "One Bible, Many Versions: Are All Translations Equal?"
In response to Elnwood, I would side with Alter. The Bible is not written in third-grade Hebrew and Greek. It requires the reader to put some time and some thought in reading to understand it.If you took a look at my following post "When the Bible Offends," I propose some additional steps for the reader to take My guess from your comment, however, is that you will find them also unsatisfactory.
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